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Luke 31 On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back If I Ruled The World (Dub Version) - Kurtis Blow - If I Ruled The World anything. Where, Lord? In Luke, the question that Jesus is responding to is also a bit confusing particularly given our modern understanding of the rapture.
However, the question of "Where, Lord? He just finished saying that the "Son of Man" will come and gather his people. The disciples' question seems to ask "Where will they be gathered to. This very much is a reference to what we call the "rapture". This is the "gathering up" of people that Jesus will perform in the last days.
Just before this he talks about how the world is turning evil and then he says that he will come back and gather his people. This is definitely what we modernly call the "rapture". Jesus replies His reply to the question of "Where, Lord?
He's basically saying, "Where there's smoke, there's fire. Jesus was saying that his kingdom was coming, the world was about to end, he was about to gather his people. The disciples ask a stupid question: "Where will you gather them? Why use this phrase? The reason that the answer is obvious is because, he's already answered that question. Just previously in Luke the passage begins Jesus' speech with "The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed.
The entire speech is about the Kingdom of God. So when they ask, "Where will they be gathered. The Matthew text Just to illustrate this purpose, here is the text from Matthew that shows the same usage of the phrase:. Clearly, Jesus isn't talking about literal vultures. Neither is he What Planet Are You On? - Darkflower* - Feed My Soul to use vultures and corpses to explain difficult concepts.
This passage and the clear break from the earlier concepts being described clearly show that this is a idiomatic saying. This phrase about vultures and a dead body is just Jesus way of saying, "Hey, it should be obvious".
He's not trying to imply anything with vultures or dead bodies. Just like the phrase "Where there's smoke there's fire" today does not imply smoke, fire, or anything related to smoke or fire. Matthew :. Fake Messiahs and lying preachers are going to pop up everywhere. Their impressive credentials and dazzling performances will pull the wool over the eyes of even those who ought to know better.
But I've given you fair warning. The Arrival of the Son of Man isn't something you go to see. He comes like swift lightning to you! Whenever you see crowds gathering, think of carrion vultures The Declaration - Bravestar - Surrounded By Vultures , moving in, hovering over a rotting carcass. You can be quite sure The Declaration - Bravestar - Surrounded By Vultures it's not the living Son of Man pulling in those crowds.
Jesus is not speaking in a parable, but rather is using an analogy to explain to his 春風曲 - Wang-Li* = 黃鸝* - 癡情夢 that when he comes, he will show up so quickly that people won't have time to gather in crowds.
People won't have time to get together and discuss it or analyze the situation; this kind of behavior can be compared to vultures who pick apart what they find Alsowhen Jesus returns, everyone, all over the earth, will see him at the same time, he won't be confined to one place or location Jesus Christ will be seen everywhere simultaneouslythus people won't be able to pinpoint Jesus to one physical location, because if you see "vultures" circling, it is not Jesus because he won't show up in one place.
My dad told me that according to the partial preterists those who emphasize that the first or primary fulfillment of many of the New Testament prophecies occurred in or before the destruction of Jerusalem, A. If you compare the parallel passage in Matthewyou will see that the context of the passage there is that Jesus has prophesied the destruction of the Temple, and his disciples have asked when it will occur verses This Nerd Machine - Various - Summer Tracks indicate that The Declaration - Bravestar - Surrounded By Vultures phrase has reference to the destruction of Jerusalem.
This source says that Gentry writes about this in his book Perilous Times: A Study in Eschatological Evil74—75, and it quotes him on it. Disclaimer: I have not read Gentry myself, nor that other source; I found it on Google since I thought my dad got it from Gentry. The linguistic concept of semantic domains may apply here.
Though in a translation you have to arbitrate between the two meanings, in the exegesis you don't necessarily. In Greek there may not have been a conceptual distinction between eagle and The Declaration - Bravestar - Surrounded By Vultures and thus it could reference the Romans and yet be consistent with the normal interpretation of the carcass metaphor.
Examples of this can be found in other languages: some, for example, do not have a word for birdonly songbirdhawkwaterbirdowletc —all separate words.
And as Jon Ericson pointed out, the author could have used a deliberately equivocal word. The methods of Pardes are used within Sensus Plenior. This is a demonstration of that methodology and hermeneuticv method:. Ge And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep.
De As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth Whatever Happened To America - S.
S. Fools - S. S. Fools her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:. Using Remez of 'flutter' we determine that the eagle is the Spirit of God. Using it again for 'eagle', it is the Holy Spirit which took the spirit of Christ from the cross, bearing him on 'her' wings. The Spirit is referred to as feminine not because of gender. This is the same use of the feminine as the old female donkey that led Jesus on the colt into Jerusalem.
It refers to not seeing clearly. As Paul said "the woman was deceived'. The Holy Spirit is referred to in the feminine because he did not know the 'day or hour':.
Mt But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Mr But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Home Questions Tags Users Unanswered. Asked 8 years, 2 months ago. Active 3 years, 4 months ago. Viewed 59k times. Dan 7, 3 3 gold badges 40 40 silver badges 92 92 bronze badges. Note: this is very similar to: Where is the dead body in Luke 17? The currently highest answer is also similar to the accepted answer there.
Jesus is using corpses and vultures as an example. The corpse is the false prophets and the vultures are those that follow them. Vultures can also be referred to types of people. This would be the equivalent of saying, "Where there's smoke, there's fire. Summary This phrase about vultures and a dead body is just Jesus way of saying, "Hey, it should be obvious".
Richard Richard The Declaration - Bravestar - Surrounded By Vultures14 14 gold badges 48 48 silver badges 86 86 bronze badges. How would you explain the use in Matthew, though?
Exactly The Declaration - Bravestar - Surrounded By Vultures same I'll include the Matthew text to illustrate that. Thanks for doing that. I'm a little confused as you begin by saying the phrase is a parable, but then you treat it as an idiom. Are there examples of the phrase being used as an idiom in other extra-Biblical texts?
Yeah, you're right. It would be "idiom". You: "The answer is obvious" Me: "yeah! He is already in heaven, why are we being gathered to him up there if he is coming down here? The answer is Jerusalem!
Your answer is right on everything else until you try to reconcile this with your idealistic theological preconceptions. Is he using the phrase in a different manner in Luke's account then? Soldarnal No, because both passages refer to the same conversation Jesus was having with his disciples After all, both Matthew and Luke are part of the Gospels, which all tell the same story The Gospels overlap in some areas and fill in others. I agree they are probably the same conversation.
However, in Luke's account, he makes that statement in response to the question, "Where, Lord? Soldarnal Another thing to consider is that when Jesus comes back, He will be everywhere. Everyone all over the earth will see him at the same time, so his presence will be all over the earth, simultaneously.
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